Oak Forest - The Real Deal
September 2008
 

9/26/2008
Only defender of Kelly is her husband

"Oak Forest's government is wide open to the public," Norman Stanley posts in his letter to the editor. That is completely false. Anyone who follows Oak Forest city government knows the hidden secrecy of Mayor JoAnn Kelly's actions. The mayor has slowly taken away public information. She is following the bare minimum of the law, rather than going above and beyond her duties.

Holding committee of the whole meetings was a great idea, but it moved all the significant discussion from the city council meeting, which is broadcast live, to a meeting limited in sharing and at which residents are prohibited from commenting. Regardless of the intent, it created a less open government.

Also, the hiring of the city administrator, the code enforcement officer and the city planner or the money recovered from the apartment fire was never discussed at any public meeting. If the residents who elected her want more information, she should try to fulfill that concern. I think after Kelly won the election, she realized she was incompetent and turned all major decisions over to the lawyers. Therefore, now all her statements are that she was advised by the lawyers.

The SouthtownStar editorial of Aug 21 was completely the truth. Funny how the only person who would post a letter to the editor defending Kelly is Stanley, Mayor Kelly's husband.

Karen Krouse

Oak Forest



Mayor's husband should have been more forthcoming


We get all sorts of letters to our editorial staff from people with dubious titles. We even have a couple who refer to themselves as king and queen, though I've never really figured out where their kingdom lies.

We recently received a letter from an Oak Forest resident named Norman R. Stanley who proclaimed himself first man of the city. The letter went on to defend Mayor JoAnn Kelly for the criticism she received from this newspaper regarding her lack of openness in government.

I and my editorial staff found out after the letter had appeared that this was in fact Kelly's husband.

We have no problem with relatives of elected or appointed officials writing letters to the editor and we'd publish them as long as they aren't defamatory or potentially libelous. That's no different from how we treat any other letter.

But as the author, identify yourself clearly. Mr. Stanley may have thought that he was being cute in referring to himself as the first man of Oak Forest. But with a different last name from Kelly's, he wasn't exactly being completely clear. Identifying himself flat out as Kelly's husband would have been the wisest thing.

So with nonsense like this, let Kelly wonder not why her claims of open and honest government under her watch hold less and less water with residents.

She could be one of the most honest and open mayors in all the south suburbs. But it only takes a few incidents to call that into question. Incidents like her handling of property annexation near the corner of 167th and Cicero Avenue; the city's claim to money found at the LeClaire Station apartment fire last year, which was not handled very openly despite being on a city council agenda. And how about her handling of Lindsay Laycoax's dismissal? Laycoax was allowed to walk away with full retirement and benefits despite running a rental system of fire equipment for personal use; equipment paid for by taxpayers who Kelly was elected to represent.

In all those cases, Kelly appeared to meet the very minimum of what she was required to do. There was no inclination, no indication she was willing to go above or beyond that.

And now this, her husband defending her in print without fully identifying himself as her husband? The voters in Oak Forest have every reason to be skeptical.

Kelly appears bent on only doing what's required if there could be even the slightest hint of controversy or dissent.

If she wants the credit she thinks she deserves for being open, regardless of what any other community is doing, perhaps following the spirit of openness rather than just the letter of it would be a start.
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9/26/2008
Wow you are out for blood, that's not the wisest approach. I won't reveal my name because I don't need your animosity. You can believe what you want and try to make people think the same. I know Felicia and have for years, she is a great lady to know, a very hard and honest worker. Felicia will give you the shirt off her back. We support her and hope this will not break her spirit. We feel this person has come on too strong and does have the full understanding of what she does for our entire community. She has always been there for everyone at anytime of need, it is her generosity & kindness that keeps us supporting her.

I have never heard Felicia talk bad about anyone, she will listen to your complaints about others and not comment at all, that is more then what I can say about other folks in this town

Felica - Keep up the good work

Oak Forest
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9/25/2008
Felicia wrote "There is no time for Political Judgement. The next 6 months are our only chance to elect the most qualified candidate"

Felicia, this is actually backwards thinking. The next 6 months ARE the time for political judgement. The next 6 months are when Hank, Joanne, or whoever, gives us their plan to run Oak Forest. The ONLY time we get to ELECT the candidate of our choice is  on ELECTION DAY. Until then, it is our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT use our "political judgement" to determine who we will vote for in April. That's called the POLITICAL PROCESS.

Part of that process is hearing what each candidate's plan for Oak Forest is. We've seen what Mayor Kelly has given us, but as of yet I don't see a thing from Mr Kuspa. That concerns me--and I'm NOT interested in a one-on-one with him to find out either. Put it in print, for all to see--plain and simple. I don't think that's too high a bar for us to ask for in Oak Forest, do you?

"To Assume one's character is unfair". I'm not concerned about his character (yet). I'm concerned with his PLATFORM--his ideas, his goals for my town. Since he has yet to put forth anything that resembles those items, then I guess I have NO CHOICE other than "assume". That is the only logical thing to do at this point, and there's no arguing that point.

You also wrote "This is no room for criticizing one's character and or their supporters, ~whether~ (I corrected your spelling here) you are a right or left wing what we must know is what a candidate will do and how they will act in situations for which they have not been adequately prepared"

Really?? Since when did we repeal the 1st Amendment? You know, the one about Free Speech? You pontificate for several paragraphs about how YOU feel, but criticize others for expresing their opinion. While you may not like what others have to say, or how they say it, you da## well better remember that many have died (including some in my family's past) in order for you and I to express ourselves here, on Oak-Watch, or ANY OTHER PLACE WE FEEL.


WELL, THIS IS THE BEST PART!!!!!

Finally, this nugget from you. "Again, I am speaking for MYSELF and no other. I will not respond to any negative post regarding my philosophical opinion, for it is the privilege OF MY OWN TO THINK AS SUCH......"

I ask that you all reread that line a couple of times before moving on.....

I've been fairly nice to you so far, Felicia. But I am now going to lay down the hammer on you, once and for all. YOU ARE A PLAGERIST AND A FRAUD. (I guarantee that right about now, the hair just stood up on her neck, folks)

The majority of your post, your "speaking for yourself and no other", was almost a VERBATUM repost from a Salon.com article that was published by Robert Burton, M.D. yesterday. Here's the link, people:


http://salon.com/env/mind_reader/2008/09/22/voter_choice

If that link does not work, simply Google "Robert Burton My Candidate, Myself" and read the whole article, both pages. You'll see that Ms DePyper has plagerized the writer's work. That, my friends, is against the law.

Felicia, your credibility on this board, and all others, is now gone. Unless you publicy recant that post, apologize to these readers, and admit that you plagerized another person's work, I will contact Salon.com and the author. I'm sure they would be glad to get ahold of you and ask for a written apology as well.

I guess I no longer have to "assume your character", since you've made it perfectly clear that your are willing to steal another person's thoughts and try to convince others that they are your own. How utterly disgusting. I hope your family, friends, and children all read this and call you out on it.


End of Story.
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9/24/2008
For those seeking evidence of a liberal bias on this blog, as well as Oak Forest Watch, posters are increasingly expressing their displeasure with Mayor Kelly, (one refers to Kelly as "Rude, The one who lied to us" another states she is Toxic. I believe strongly in free speech, for their own political views, yet I find several aspects of this particularly interesting. The first is the dismissive attitude of some supporters that many residents seem to share. The implication is that Kelly is not only bad, but so obviously bad that anyone who supports her must be an "idiot or socially unacceptable."  This is not just on this web site -- I've noticed this in my own daily interactions. There is no attempt to engage or convince, but only the syllogism,  "You support Joann Kelly, therefore you are an idiot. "To attack one's character is injustice."

This is remarkable, in part, because Kelly was supported by a majority of Oak Forest. That is a lot of people to completely dismiss. Calling somebody an idiot would also seem to be a dubious way to bring one over to another side .

It is also interesting that the blogger's have expressed that Hank Kuspa, is Clueless, a Crook, a  Cowardchicken, PATHETIC and low class, also suggesting that his campaign is a scam and that any posters who may support Kuspa are stupid  "You support Hank Kuspa therefor you are a Clueless,"  there may very well be a variety of support out there for Hank as well non support, yet until you meet the man face to face there is no room for judgement  "To assume one's character is unfair."

We are so eager to attack her/him regardless of how other's views of them, If we criticizing one's political views or opinions, we will accomplish nothing. Most individuals tend to overestimate their own level of skill. or fail to recognize genuine skill in others, some individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy.

In other words, we are as bad at judging ourselves as we are at judging others. Most cognitive scientists now believe that the majority of our thoughts originate in the areas of the brain inaccessible to conscious introspection. These beginnings of thoughts arrive in consciousness already colored with inherent bias. No two people see the world alike. Each of our perceptions is filtered through our genetic predispositions, inherent biologic differences and idiosyncratic life experiences. Your red is not my red. These differences extend to the very building blocks of thoughts, each of us will look at any given question from his own predispositions. Thinking may be as idiosyncratic as fingerprints.

As a result, we are all plagued by bias, self-deceit and poor character judgment. So, is there a better approach, a better methodology for assessing important personal qualities when the chips are down? After all,  when votes come in, we won't care about a mayor's charm, church, oratorical abilities, cuteness of their children, whether he or he/she wears designer glasses, is the world's greatest war hero, has an strange sounding middle name or "feels like one of us"

Would we choose a neurosurgeon for those reasons? I would choose a neurosurgeon for his or her dexterity and decision-making. therefor what we should want is a Mayor aware of how his/her mind works, as well as what he/she suspects are his/her inborn biases and intellectual limitations. Ironically, the acknowledgment of intellectual limitations may be the best evidence for superior decision-making skills.

There is no time for Political Judgement  The next six months are our only chance to elect the most qualified candidate. This is no room for criticizing one character and or their supporters, weather you are a right or left wing,  what we must know are what a candidate will do and how they will act in situations for which they have not been adequately prepared.

Leadership is measured by the best decisions during the worst of times.

" I am not here to judge one's character nor suggest that you are right or wrong. Everyone has the right to their own opinion it is their prerogative."

Again, I am speaking for myself and no other. I will not respond to any negative post regarding my philosophical opinion, for it is the privilege of my own to think as such.  

Thank you and Have a great day!

Felicia A. DePyper

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9/23/2008
WOW!!!
I had the pleasure of sitting with Hank for three hours last night getting to know him. Not only did I learn about him, but I also met his lovely wife, Maureen, two of his children and their sweet dog. My impression of them as a family was they are very down-to-earth and a close knit family. I saw genuineness about them that I could not overlook.
By the end of the meeting, my impression of Hank was he truly is a sincere, hardworking, open-minded man, the type of person that I believe would make for a great mayor of Oak Forest. We need someone who is honest, is completely dedicated to the citizens, and will do what he says. He has given me hope.
He is a self-confident person, who definitely thinks for himself. But by the same token, his open-mindedness leaves room for working reasonably with others a definite plus.
After meeting Hank, I believe he is sincere when he states on his website that he will "look beyond politics-as-usual and work with everyone that wants to improve our community." His community involvement is very impressive. I look at that and it shows me how much Hank loves this city and is worth a lot of his time.
I agree with one of the anonymous bloggers that it should be welcomed that Hank would llike to hear what the citizens want. Do not think that he doesn't know what direction he would like to see the city head in; he has a direction and it is a positive one. I believe his being open-minded and wanting to hear what each of us has to say speaks volumes in this regard.
For anyone who wants to know his platform now, my thinking was the same. But it was explained to me and now I agree, it is not time to give out that information. They are in the very early stages of the campaign. If Hank were to announce all of his ideas and plans now, what is stopping the sitting mayor from using those ideas to her benefit. I am told that more information will be coming regarding Hank and his campaign, but at the right time. LET'S BE FAIR, Kelly's site has nothing to share thus far.
From what I have learned most recently, I believe the course the city of Oak Forest has been on can be redirected toward a more conducive stature with Hank as mayor. I liked his answers to my questions, and most of all I felt a great sense of desire on his part to do all the things he said he would like to for the citizens and our city.
I would recommend for those who have concerns and questions, e-mail Hank and set up a meeting with him one-on-one and get to know him before you consider any of the negative comments being posted. It is the only fair thing to do as well as being a responsible citizen. You can get a good feeling about a person's character when you speak with them face-to-face. He is extremely approachable. Give him a chance. I did and am thankful I had the opportunity to do so.
Have a beautiful day!

Eva LaRoche
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9/23/2008
I know these comments don't get posted the same day they are submitted, so I wanted to share the latest about my communication with Hank Kuspa. He has invited me to come sit with him and discuss my concerns. I am meeting with him this evening (9/22) and I intend to keep our conversation completely confidential. What I would suggest to anyone who has their own concerns or questions, get in touch with Hank and ask to meet with him just as I am. A one-on-one meeting will help each resident to get to know him and get a first impression of his true character. A blog is not a place for that type of opportunity.
Eva LaRoche
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9/23/2008
I did consider someone else would "dilute" the race, which I stated in my original comment, "nobody OR two people" would give the election to Kelly. I think someone OTHER than Hank should run.
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9/23/2008
An update to my post about Hank Kuspa:
I have received responses from those involved in his campaign, and I am assured Hank will be responding to my e-mail very soon.
Eva LaRoche
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9/23/2008
Hi Folks;
  Just to mention my whereabouts. I have been a welcome guest of the Harley Davidson Motorcycle store at 110th & Cicero. It's a pleasure to serve the surounding communities as well. 
                                    
The Tin Man!!!  Six months and counting!
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9/23/2008
The question is if Hank Kuspa were in office, how much of an improvement over Kelly would he be? Would it be a substantial improvement? Kelly made promises she didn't keep; how can Hank assure the Oak Forest residents that his promises will be kept? I was hoodwinked once, and I will not fall for it again. This is one reason why I am being extra cautious in accepting his promises at face value. First, I would like to hear how he intends to make the changes the citizens of Oak Forest are expecting. What is his plan of action?
Will he clean house by removing jobs that are unnecessary and costly to the taxpaying citizens? How will he provide the open government that each of us is entitled to? Will he listen to residents' comments and suggestions who are not in his inner circle and be willing to use some of those suggestions if they lead to better options? What wise decisions in economic development and spending practices will he make in putting Oak Forest back on the map?
Is he already making promises to his inner circle of friends that will help get him into office or will he stand firm on his change in politics-as-usual?
From what I know, he is not so distant from Kelly's inner circle. Knowing this, how am I to believe that he will not conduct politics-as-usual if he is mayor?
I believe I am fair in being direct with my expectations as a citizen of Oak Forest. I need more substance to these issues before I decide who gets my vote; therefore, I sent Hank an e-mail on Thursday asking him some of these important questions, but I am still waiting for a reply.
Eva LaRoche
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9/23/2008
Yes, it might dilute the votes, but are we in such a rush to get rid of Kelly, that we are latching on to the first candidate to come along?

Kuspa has a website, but no mention of where he stands on ANY issue.  If he is running and collecting money, then he needs put out there where he stands on all the issues facing OF.  If he cant, then someone else needs to step up who will.
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9/20/2008
In response to someone that claims to know Hank, yet would not vote for him, and keeps looking for another candidate.  Have you ever considered that someone else running would dilute the votes and increase Kelly's chances for being elected?
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9/20/2008
Let's all get behind Hank Kuspa. We have to get Kelly out, no matter what!!!!!
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9/19/2008
Dear SouthtownStar;

I can't believe you would print anything the Ex Mayor Kelly has writin in your newspaper.
She herself, said "Don't believe everything you read in the newspaper"

It seems your editor is not in tune with what the vast majority of Oak Forest residents think.
Or it's a big joke.
  
Six months and counting!
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9/19/2008
I saw a sign hanging at Oak Forest Bowl saying "Hank Kuspa for Mayor". I know Hank and have for many years, and while he is a good man I do not believe he is the Right person for the job. I will say this, at least he has enough guts to step up and run against Queen Kelly. If nobody or two canidates run in this election I am afraid it is going to be four more LOOOONG years. I just hope before the time comes we the people of this city can put a canidate up that will make an effort to restore this city back to be the place I moved to 30+ years ago.
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9/19/2008
Another elected official that needs an opponent is City Clerk Scott Burkhardt.  It was his decision to change the City Council minutes from verbatim to what exists now.  Check out the minutes on the city's website.  You would be hard pressed to glean any important information from this version of the minutes.  Keep in mind that Mr. Burkhardt also holds an $80,000 full time position as Human Resources Manager in addition to his City Clerk's salary.  He has never had an opponent.  We need someone to step up and give us a choice!
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9/19/2008
I an sick and tired of being patronized and professionalized into the poor house by City Hall. Water rate increase to sell more bonds, utility taxes, above market refuse rate, lower property taxes (show me without the symantics). I don't remember these issues under Pat Gordon. I realize he had to take the hit for public works director, the buck stops at the Mayor's door. I also realize we supposedly had checks and balances in place in City Hall and they broke down. Unfortunatly for us taxpayers those broken parts are still there. Lest we all be reminded that the Mayor was removed by the voters a couple times from different offices before becoming Mayor. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it! I found Mr. Gordon was approachable and easy to talk to. He sacrificed his own business to do the work of Oak Forest. I think He learned by his mistakes. Can't say the same for the current administration! Just more retoric of why it's not their fault.Whenever I see Ms. Kelly at the store or at something other that a political type event, I detect Ms.Kelly has an aura of "leave me alone!", I don't want to talk. Sorry it goes with the job ! Then add in an alderman who doesn't return calls or e-mails and then feigns ignorance, or doesn't come preparred for a meeting and the issues that arise, is unacceptable. In the 6th ward I am vote for Mr. Horstman. He has the integrity and experience to be an alderman. In April, I vote eveyone I can out of office. I need an accountable City Hall.
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9/17/2008
I am sick and tired of being patronized and professionalized into the poor house by City Hall. Water rate increase to sell more bonds, utility taxes, above market refuse rate, lower property taxes (show me without the symantics). I don't remember these issues under Pat Gordon. I realize he had to take the hit for public works director, the buck stops at the Mayor's door. I also realize we supposedly had checks and balances in place in City Hall and they broke down. Unfortunatly for us taxpayers those broken parts are still there. Lest we all be reminded that the Mayor was removed by the voters a couple times from different offices before becoming Mayor. Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it! I found Mr. Gordon was approachable and easy to talk to. He sacrificed his own business to do the work of Oak Forest. I think he learned by his mistakes. Can't say the same for the current administration! Just more retoric of why it's not their fault!

Whenever I see Ms. Kelly at the store or at something other than a political type event, I detect Ms.Kelly has an aura of "leave me alone!", I don't want to talk. Sorry it goes with the job !

Then add in an alderman who doesn't return calls or e-mails and then feigns ignorance, or doesn't come prepared for a meeting and the issues that arise, this is unacceptable.

In the 6th ward I am voting for Mr. Horstman. He has the integrity and experience to be an alderman. In April, I will vote eveyone I can out of office. I need an accountable City Hall.
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9/16/2008
I agree with you, the ones hired illegaly should be let go and some of our very capably citizens should be hired in their place!!! But Kelly did what she did and trying to change it now might just cause more contraversy than its worth. The fisrt thing that should really be done is get the Tin Man back. I think he was an Oak Forest icon!!!!! As far as Hank as mayor???? I do not know the guy so I cant form an opinion of him yet. I would run myself but no one in Oak Forest knows me, at least not enough of people to get me elected. If I was elected you would really see some significant changes on how the city would be run..


CF
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9/16/2008
Tin Man -

Couldn't you get to the train another way???  I got to work downtown just fine....with NO HELP from the city.  I managed to park my car just fine in several of the other available parking areas, and boarded my train with ease!  My goodness - flooding occured everywhere - how in the world do you expect the Mayor to make sure that your toes didn't get wet???
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9/16/2008
Dear CF

The best way to help Mayor Kelly is to vote her out of office.  And once the new Mayor comes in he should remove the people who were placed in jobs that were never legally created.

Hank Kuspa is not the person to be Mayor.  No offense Hank like you just not as a leader of our town.
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9/16/2008
Thank you mayor, for the unusable Kelly Metra Parking lot during the recent flood. One would think the placement of drainage sewers would be a thought before construction.
   Also, with forthought, one would utillize the senior busses to shuttle residents to the Metra station from 159th & Central. Just another day without pay to get to my job downtown. 
                                     
"The Tin Man"
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9/13/2008
To:  Oak Forest Residents

Is there not one honest, intelligent, decent, concerned professional living in Oak Forest who will run for Mayor?  Dont rehash the same old political hacks. CHANGE!  That is what is sorely needed! CHANGE!

Professional, Hard working residents, Soccer Moms, SOMEBODY please step forward and run.  It can be done!  Straighten this mess out once and for all.  All you have to do is:

1.  Be Honest.
2.  Tell the Truth.
3.  Find competent people to surround you.
4.  Dont be vindictive.
5.  Be Honest.
6.  Be Honest.

From: A former lifelong resident
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9/13/2008
Last night I watched a couple of programs about 9-11. It really put thing in perspective for me. All this blaming and uprising angainst Mayor Kelly. Now is not the time to blame, now is the time to act. We need to pull together as a city and instead of placing blame lets offer a helping hand. Lets not forget what 9-11 meant to us as a nation and as a city. Unfortunately the Mayor is not going in the direction that we wanted, so lets redirect her, it is in our power as citizens to do so. Lets show her where we want to go and how we want to get there. Apparently she needs our help now, so lets give it to her. Remeber how the nation pulled together on 9-11 and lets show Oak Forest how we can pull together now. We are one people and one city, lets make Oak Forest the kind of city that we all can be proud of and surrounding cities then will respect us and be proud of us also.  Remember this "We will never forget"


CF
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9/2/2008
For info on stabbing incident see Neighborhood Watch Septmber - 2008
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9/2/2008
Although I am not now nor then a supporter of Mr. Gordon I do share his opinion about Mayor Kelly and her hiring practices. I am sure that there are very qualified people that live in the city of Oak Forest that should have been considered for the positions that the Mayor hired outside of the city. Also giving her so called supporters employment with the city in my book is totally uncalled for. We do not vote for a person to get a job from them!!!! And the ones in this city that really need employment are overlooked!!!!!!!!!! This city needs to change and really take a hard look at their hiring practices. I dont know about the rest of you but I could surely use a $40,000.00/year paying job right now!!!!!!! Hopefully who ever is the new mayor will change these unfair practices and pay more attention to the needs of the city and not to which friend will get which job..

CF
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9/2/2008
O.K. Pat Gordon, You said you would decide to run in August. So far, all we have is the Tin Man to vote for! We can't let Kelly win by default!
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9/2/2008
Thank you very much for the warm welcome I received, from the residents of Oak Forest, at the Old Times Family Picnic. 
                                           
The Tin Man!
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9/2/2008
Great letter Pat Gordon. It's clear that the Southtown is afraid of the truth. If it's not published, I will cancil my subscription of 40 years.
 
  Pertaining to "The Vietnam Wall" It's a total disgrace that the mayor has no intention to honor all our veterans. What she needs is 6 years in uniform to realize what this country is all about. But, whose side would she be on?
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9/2/2008
I received a call from a Friend telling me to read Oak-forest.org. Well I did. Why don't all of you people stop complaing and go to the City Council.
Afraid to stand?  Like Pat Gordon Which most of the things he said was BULL.

Was he sitting up there when he raised the taxes on us? I remember he was.

He hired all his good old freinds just as the present Mayor has.
But she has hired more.
You also have the Clerks salary wrong, It 85.000.00 Plus 23.000.00. We
now have 4 Public Work Supt. I am wandering what they do other than get or should I say run into each other.

The sidewalks on Grange by me are awful as well as the streets on Mission.

But, we took money and gave the Children a place to Park on 151st Street.
Kids should take the BUS.or get us a GRANT.

 One more thing. I say have a Great Retirement to the now Chief. At least he didn't take our money by going to school as the Chief under Gordon as well as his wife.{The Chiefs Wife}

So the next time you write Mr. Gordon, tell it all,don't leave out what you have also done that was wrong.

We need someone that would give our taxes back.Our garbage at a lower PRICE,as  This city have give away so many package,Simon was the only one to vote no on the BIG one. The City Adm.W.O.W. did he get a good one.The one that came from Iron Mountain.If he gets fired he can stay home for TEN MONTHS witout looking for a JOB.

Now that is where our tax dollars are.

Well, have a good Year as we haven't seen anything yet regardless of who is running. They are all the same. Yes how does one get to the Metro Station. as a person that can't waalk very far???????? Whgat are we to do. I drive to Tinley for the train now.
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9/2/2008
Message to Patrick Gordon:
Patrick, I would sincerely like to apologize for voting for JoAnn Kelly. I was bamboozled into it and believed in all the untruths that the Daily Southtown wrote about you and your administration. I bought into their bullsh!t when in reality the course that the City was on with you was more productive than the current administration's.
If by any chance you do decide to run for mayor again, you'll have my full support.
Bamboozled Oak Forest Resident